
Kaustuv
Kanti Bandopadhyaya graduated from Calcutta & completed post
graduation from Sagar University in Anthropology before moving
again to Calcutta for PhD. He studied Organizational Behaviour
on his own interest. He joined PRIA in 1998 August before working
with Indian Institute of Bio Social Research & Development based
in Calcutta.
At
PRIA he works for Urban Governance & Right to Information. He
tells IndianNGOs.com about the faulty urban governance, where
municipalities have become dependent on the state government
& their autonomy is eroded due to little financial strength.
He also points that much before RTI was enacted, PRIA adopted
its masthead Knowledge is Power, acknowledging people's knowledge
as inherent tool of development.
Which
factors prompted PRIA to identify Urban Governance as its program?
PRIA
had been working on citizen participation in the development
program for quite some time. With 73rd & 74th constitutional
amendment, PRIA saw an opportunity to enhance participation
of citizens in democratic process through PRIs & Urban Local
bodies. When we started work on PRI, we realized that most of
the middle tier Panchayat Samitis are actually located in urban
areas. A constitutional provision talks about the formation
of District Planning Committee, only constitutional planning
body. Even Planning Commission & state planning bodies are not
mentioned in constitution. To strengthen the constitution &
true implementation of 73rd & 4th amendment, District Planning
Committees are necessary. These committees are supposed to be
the champion of bottom up planning process so that citizens
participate in the urban & rural development planning process.
What
is the status of Indian municipalities?
These
municipalities are completely ignored by the national & the
state government. Basic services in small towns are very poor.
We realized that through improvement of municipal governance
these basic things can be improved & if citizens participate
in planning process, it would result in better governance.
What
was your strategy to deal with it?
We
had two pronged strategy, targeting both the citizens & the
councilors. We realized that urban areas are not like rural
areas, where traditionally SHGs, committees like village education
& watershed were promoted & some institutional space was created
for development works & community participation. There is also
no interaction between elected representatives (municipal councilors)
& people. We started working upon mobilizing mohalla samitis,
brining volunteers based on local level analysis. In 1998 we
started work & till 2001 worked in four states & after that
took up these programs on a much larger scale.
What
were the paradigm shifts in your program in 2002?
During
our pilot phase of 1998-2002, we learnt various things. We realized
that many states did not have district planning committees as
districts have little importance in state's administration.
Planning is one of the major functions mentioned in 74th amendment.
However, municipalities have no role in planning process though
they are most constitutionally empowered. It's a complete violation
by state governments till today.
When
we started working with mohalla samitis, we realized that the
capacity of these samitis is very poor. Even if you strengthen
the demand side, supply side is very weak. There are numerous
hindrances which do not allow municipalities to provide various
services. States are supposed to devolve certain funds, functions
& functionary to the municipalities. However, state government
gives functions & not the functionaries. We made people aware
about the rights against municipalities but also realized that
municipalities had little capacity to provide the services.
Hence, we formed our agenda to advocate before the government
for the devolution of the funds & functionaries. State Finance
Commission under the constitution recommends the state government
how much funds are to be devolved to the municipalities & local
bodies. Unfortunately, in many states finance commissions are
not formed.
In
which states FCs are formed?
In
Harayana, FC were formed & they gave recommendations but state
government did not take any action.
What
is the financial status of municipalities?
We
have initiated program on municipal finance in seven states.
We found they still use single entry system in their accounts.
It shows only expenditure & does not mention corresponding asset.
Constitution talks about three types of taxes municipalities
are required to collect, property tax, octroi & professional
tax. In many cases, state government withdraw octroi & professional
tax from municipality causing huge loss to them & in turn give
them wholly inadequate token grants. On their own, municipalities
are not inclined to collect property tax as it has political
repercussions. Hence, the municipalities become dependent on
the state government & their autonomy is eroded due to little
financial strength.
What
is the ideal role of a municipality?
We
need safe drinking water, sewerage, solid waste management,
good roads, proper distribution of electricity & good schools.
India has 30% population below poverty line, which can not afford
these services. It imposes responsibility upon the state to
provide them these services.
Is
it possible for an economically deprived state like Bihar to
provide these services?
It
is possible. Strengthening municipalities is an easiest way
for it. In states like Karnataka, 30-40% of state budget is
devolved to municipalities & they function well. Citizens also
have an important role to play in demanding accountability &
transparency from councilors. Several of the elected representatives
do not know of their duties under 74th amendment. We initiated
participatory planning process in Jharkhand. We launched an
activist campaign throughout the city through local news papers,
news channels, pamphlets. It facilitated interaction between
citizens & councilors for town planning & urban development.
It was a unique model we demonstrated in Rajnandgaon & Jhanjhgiri
displaying capacity of municipalities.
At
the time of municipal elections, we launch pre election awareness
campaign. It checks malpractices of elections. We stitch together
several civil society organisations & provided support to weaker
candidates including dalit & women.
Doesn't
the campaigning for election involve an element of getting influenced
by political ideologies? How do you remain apolitical?
That's
always a possibility. However, we do take certain precautions
that we do not campaign for a particular candidate & we provide
support in the form of how to contest an election. Even to file
a nomination form, 20 affidavits are given. We support tribal
& women contestant to file their petitions without being involved
in partisan politics.
What
links do you find between 73rd & 74th amendment?
The
principles remain same. The developmental planning should be
done at the lowest level. The primary education is best delivered
by Panchayat. Secondary education may go at Zila Parishad level.
Everything related to town plan is not linked with municipalities
alone. The link between 73rd & 74th is district planning committee.
What
is the role of Right to Information Act in local governance?
Knowledge
has been our historical responses to emerging opportunity. PRIA
has been working on right to knowledge & acknowledging people's
knowledge for last 25 years. For us, knowledge is more than
information.
A
conversation between me & you is mere information for anyone
else but if he puts into proper perspective the content of our
conversation then it becomes knowledge. Knowledge indicates
interpretation of information through perspective.
We
believe in multiplicity of knowledge. In 2005, when RTI was
enacted PRIA was not directly involved with the introduction
of this Act. But, we took it as an opportunity to pursue transparency
& accountability within the government institutions.
We focus on Panchayats & urban areas making efficient use of
RTI. In some cases, we focus on RTI beyond local governance
& target the government. For instance, for NREGA Panchayats
are the implementing agencies for implementing it, but there
is hardly any role for Panchayats to play there.
Panchayat
is the most powerful institution. It can keep effective vigil
on schemes like Sarva Shiksha Abhiyan & Mid Day meal. All the
information related to government schemes may be had from Panchayats.
There
are village education committees but without involving Panchayats,
we bypass the grass root institutions.
How
do you ensure effective implementation of PRIA?
We
mobilize citizens to ask for RTI. Under RTI, various government
authorities are mandated to voluntary disclose 17 manuals of
the public information but most of them do no do so. We empower
Panchayats to ask for voluntary disclosure.
With regard to RTI, 3-4 types of work are taken of. We produce
huge amount of pamphlets, posters & training manuals to spread
awareness about RTI.
Last
month we had huge campaign in Karoli, Jhunjhunu of Rajasthan,
Mahendragarh in Harayana. We are also working with various universities
& law departments. There is tremendous enthusiasm amongst youth
to use RTI. We have undertaken campaign in AMU, BHU. We are
also studying implementation status of RTI in various states.
We have decided to take up this study in 26 states to look what
the State Information Commissions are doing.
What
is the PRIA model of governance? What is the strength of PRIA?
We
have constantly redefined our roles in last 25 years in response
to need of the times. Now we have so many field offices but
when I joined PRIA, we had only 35 people. Our role was solely
of a support organisation. We did not have any field office.
We mostly harvested knowledge from others & offered it to others.
Our focus has now changed as now we are also engaged in direct
knowledge generation.
We
also ensure accountability both internally & externally. I am
not only accountable to my senior here in PRIA, I also ensure
that my every act helps the targeted beneficiary. It keeps us
on or toes. We try to give value for the money we get.
Third
is leadership. It starts from Mr Tandon & goes to Program Heads.
We also have a very vibrant governing board. They keep us on
toes. We know our every proposal would be challenged so better
keep ourselves on check. Our leaders are very dynamic, keep
their radars open, forge network with others. Lastly, it is
the learning environment or PRIA. We have learnt a lot from
here.
Ashutosh
Bhardwaj
Jan 2007
New Delhi
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